ok, so...a few things to say

If you haven't read the last post on the "Audrey Solved!!!" thread, it may be a good idea. I didn't make a fake account or post fake pics. I said it before, but it bears repeating: simply put, I don't do that. I have never given any indication that I would do something like that and, to be quite honest, the random accusations and game of "let's blame [random user] for everything" are getting so old. Also, and double appropriate considering it's and ANTM quote, "I am the best person to discuss me with". Have a question or suspicion, please feel free to come directly to me with it. I have been nasty with very few people from the boards, and don't think I've given off any sort of "unapproachable" vibe, so feel free to simply and easily ask. The wishy-washy double speaking is nasty and below every single person on here.

Also, in the case of JoeyGaga...I am 100% on his side with that one. Look back at things that were said on that whole thread and try to tell me you wouldn't find it at all upsetting, particularly from people who appear to be online "friends". There was some rude, insulting stuff on there. And then the spamming on INTM C3 gets brought up. You can't say all is forgiven and it's all water on the bridge if it's just going to be used as ammunition every time some asshole gets an account and messes with the boards and random accusations start flying. I can think of a few posters from the boards that may have a bone to pick with one or more posters on here that would love to screw up the game just because, and if anyone thinks about it they could come up with a few names as well. Just remember that I'm not one of them, never have been and never will be.

He looked at the IP addresses...

Like I said, look at the last post on the other thread.

There were 2 different IPs for my account, one that really was mine and one from Utah or something like that (according to the PMs SweetTyra sent me), and the Utah one matched the Audrey account. I live in South Florida. I would be happy to send you a link to my facebook, mail you a copy of a recipt for something I buy, or take a picture of my thermometer saying 78 degrees in mid-November if my word as well as the word of the person who actually made the accusation aren't good enough.

you live in Florida!
you poor thing! I'm so sorry!

...Florida is like, the worst state ever. I'm sorry you have to live there.

How the hell is someone in Utah gunna have your account and password??

Whatever This "Audrey" stuff is...is

Hacker, perhaps?

No offense or anything, espacially considering my knowledge of how these things work, but even the creator of this board didn't know how to look at IP addresses until recently. Someone with a little more knowledge could have easily figured out how to get into it. I don't know how it happened, but it did according to what I was told so that's really the best I can do. I haven't yet nastered the whole "being in 2 places at the same time" thing yet.

And obviously the drama isn't that boring to you if you're asking questions, no?

You don't find it creepy that someone from Utah was using your name? I mean if they have your password for IMDB they could have your password for others things as well right?

Ppl from Utah are pretty creepy though haha. With if this hacker was someone I knew?? That'd be creeper!

It was from Kansas.

And I am going to explain all this one last time:

I am SORRY that we accused you. I have never had any issue with you and Ive always enjoyed reading what you have to say and do consider you a good person from what i know. You are as you said a very approachable person and have never done anything to make me, at least, think poorly of you.

But you are painting this picture yourself which says everyone was out to get you. I looked at the IP addresses, yours matched and at the time that was all the evidence I really needed. No, Im not an expert on IP addresses, but I didnt think I needed to be when it told me your account was coming from the same address as two sockpuppets. It was not a "random accusation", I had what I thought was substantial enough evidence. Its not like I just chose a random name from the members list to pick on and I get the impression thats what you believe. I dont really know who you are as a person and therefore didnt have the knowledge to convince me it wasnt you or make me hesitant about coming to the conclusion I came to. I understand that hearing about the accusations is not the best feeling and I too would be a little offended if the same thing happened to me. I wouldnt want anyone to not have an opinion or emotional reaction, but it seems to me that some people arent understanding why other people reacted the way they did and are just getting way too hot headed about it without evening acknowledging the explanations.

Same goes with the Joey situation- I agree that way too many harsh things were said and personal attacks should not have been made and I kinda feel bad for Joey on that one.
HOWEVER. I do believe he brought it upon himself when he decided to act like a complete tool and spam the boards with poo porn. It wasnt just one or two pictures it was MULTIPLE THREADS! EVERYWHERE!!!! OF POO PORN!!! CMON!!!
And Im sorry, but I can honestly not respect someone who spends a lot of their time insulting other people on their appearance, only to get incredibly offended and seemingly "surprised" when it turns around on them. Dont get me wrong, I actually really like Joey despite some thing that have been said and done. But you shouldnt expect people to care about your feelings when you dont care about theirs. Enough with the guilt trips on people about Joey. Most of it was warranted.

If joey and jilpen hadnt acted that way in the first place, there is NO WAY they wouldve been accused of being linked to the Audrey situation. And regardless of whether they apologised about it or not, it was still a viable reason for them to be accused of being linked. So really, I have absolutely no sympathy for Joey when he is offended by being accused.
And it hasnt been used as ammunition, its been used as a relevant explanation for people suspecting him and accusing him of another spamming situation. How anyone can deny that fact is completely beyond me. Whether we were right about it or not in the end doesnt matter.

I REFUSE to sit back at take the guilt trips that are being thrown around. I refuse to be portrayed as a bad person and I refuse to let any of the other members appear like bad people because of their reactions to this particular situation. We all put a LOT of effort into this thing and when anything occurs that disrespects this whole process, we react. And while it was inappropriate at times, I dont really blame anyone at all.

No, the reactions we have arent always justifiable but with the harsh personal attacks an exception, in this situation, they were.

Correct, no, not completely. But justified, yes.

I never said it was a random accusation against me, but I do find it wrong that the matter wasn't even briefly considered further until I had to ask for it to be. I just thought that, seeing as how I had never pulled any crap like that, it could have maybe raised a question or two, or at the very least the thought of "hmm...maybe I should ask him before making a public accusation b/c that really doesn't seem like something he would do" could have come up, maybe a PM could have been sent or something and the whole matter could have been cleared up privately. Regardless of whether it was a random user being accused or not, it wasn't handled correctly imo.

As far as the Joey thing...either say all is forgiven and stop bringing it up or be straight up with him and tell him you're still pissed about it. It happened and it was an incredibly stupid and childish thing to do. Joey apologized, as far as I know people said they were OK with him, then something happens again and it's right back to everyone being mad. My point was that it's all just coming across as incredibly fake and if people are still pissed it should just be said rather than some half-state of forgiveness. Besides that, as the administrator you have every right to ban people or deny their membership, so allowing him to register yet again also implies a sort of "all is forgiven" type of thing, especially after the Audrey fiasco.

This isn't an attempt at guilt or a request for apologies. I have no problem with you or most anyone else on here, it's a simple matter of me asking every poster to put on their thinking caps next time something like this happens and to bring it to the person first and not shout it from the mountain tops first chance they get, as well as to air ALL issues that anyone still has so they can be taken care of and put to rest, to piss or get off the toilet so to speak, say everything your pissed about, say whewther or NOT it's forgiven, and move on from there.

shizaminelli wrote:I never said it was a random accusation against me

shizaminelli wrote:the random accusations and game of "let's blame [random user] for everything" are getting so old.

i don't get it.
were you not talking about you here?

you know, you'd think someone who has never had anything to do with these INTM boards would "lol" and ignore it if someone told them they were be accused of something so dumb, rather than sign up and start posting defenses. defenses that don't even make sense. no one's accusations were random, everything was based on an arrow pointing in certain people's general directions. if there was a mistake, there was a mistake, but WHY does it bother you when you don't even post here?

as far as i'm concerned, Leigh posted his apologies and so did pretty much anyone else, now can't you guys shut up about it?

to be quite honest, the random accusations and game of "let's blame [random user] for everything" are getting so old

Maybe I misunderstood that sentence, were you referring to yourself or Joey?

And yes i see where you are coming from. At the time it occurred, I didnt know that any further investigation could be done and I was so angry about the whole thing that i didnt exactly wanna approach you and ask you if you had something to do with it, I just wanted to vent and get it all out there, which as you said wasnt completely appropriate but I felt it was at the time. I will be quite happy and comfortable to approach you in the future, although i dont believe i will have to, not about this type of thing anyway haha

As for Joey, being ok with him and being ok with his actions are two different things. I like him, but I just couldnt tolerate the thought of him pulling another stunt like that which is why i got so angry. And as you may have noticed when you registered, i dont actually manually approve sign ups anymore so i didnt know joey was registered until i saw him post. It isnt forgiven at all because it was a totally unnecessary bitch move that caused a lot of upset and stress. He knows Im still pissed, but I didnt ban him because he is still welcome here, to me, at least.

Giant walls of text hurt my eyes! haha jk. That is all :]

If you're making it clear that yoy still don't forgive him for anything then that's an entirely different thing and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I do think it sends mixed messages though when he gets approved for INTM 4 after all that INTM 3 nonsense. However, it's done with, I fully 100% accept your apology and if there are any more problems feel free to bring them up.

Jonnyboy...it doesn't bother me that much, but it would be a bold faced lie to say it doesn't at all. Whether in real life or online, having your name dragged through the mud, when you know for a fact you've never done anything like what your being accused of, sucks. [Random user] refers to the numerous names that I've seen slung around, not solely myself (or I would have put "Shiza"). I understand that some signs pointed to it being me, however what bugs me is the fact that no one bothered to look closer until prompted, and that's really all there was to it. And if I'm being completely honest it was a bit hurtful that not a single person thought/said "hmm...that doesn't seem like him". I mean, say someone said you were pulling shit like that, personally I would say to everyone "hold on...does that REALLY seem like something JonnyBoy would do???" That was really the only thing that bugged me, tbh, and it was worth registering just to get that out there, that's all.

shizaminelli wrote:Jonnyboy...it doesn't bother me that much, but it would be a bold faced lie to say it doesn't at all. Whether in real life or online, having your name dragged through the mud, when you know for a fact you've never done anything like what your being accused of, sucks. [Random user] refers to the numerous names that I've seen slung around, not solely myself (or I would have put "Shiza"). I understand that some signs pointed to it being me, however what bugs me is the fact that no one bothered to look closer until prompted, and that's really all there was to it. And if I'm being completely honest it was a bit hurtful that not a single person thought/said "hmm...that doesn't seem like him". I mean, say someone said you were pulling shit like that, personally I would say to everyone "hold on...does that REALLY seem like something JonnyBoy would do???" That was really the only thing that bugged me, tbh, and it was worth registering just to get that out there, that's all.

okay, got it. i don't talk to you a lot, personally, on the IMDb boards, so i don't know what you would or wouldn't do, but also, i never thought Joey would flood the board with porn, so it's really a matter of "you can't trust anyone on the internet". hopefully next time someone will voice something in someone's defense if they get accused of doing something that seems completely out of character. i'm sorry no one did that for you here.

i think everyone on this board gets a little rude. i've had people who are totally sweet to everyone on this board pm me to bitch about them. i've done it too, no liez.

anyway. at least this is all sorted out now.

except, i still wanna know who created the alias of Audrey.

Okay, Shiza, I feel pretty bad that you're being singled out.
At the same time you are being quite indulgent in seeking our apologies and pennance. I think you are enjoying it all a little too much - the same way Mel was like "I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIIIIIIGHT!" when she "uncovered" Audrey. It's equally annoying.
What the heck do you want us to think? Maybe people went too overboard, but I personally think that you, a grown man, should know that they were just words stated in times of high emotion. By people whom you don't know - and who don't know you, I might add. You ask why no one said, "Shiza would never do that?" Because we don't really know each other at all. For all we know, Alex or Cozy or Nigel or Jonny could be hackers or fakes or people making fun of us or Strangesounds or Kyle. But we don't. Anything is possible. This is the internet. We don't know each other.
On the note of the Joey stuff, for one thing, not everyone "forgave" him. Secondly, forgiving does not mean forgetting. We can say, "It's okay, that was a mean thing to do but you are still welcome here. But that does not mean that we can't bring it up, we can't acknowledge that it was a disgusting thing to do, and we can't factor it into things. For the record I never saw any link between Joey and the Audrey thing (nor did I contribute to the argument). But I still do find it quite pathetic that Joey, who insults peoples' appearance, pictures, and personal lives, will throw a hissy fit when people throw it back in his face. He of all people would tell someone (and has told users, like Lauren) not to put themselves out there unless they were prepared for criticism. Not only does he put himself out there, he is rude and crude to others.
You guys are soooooo silly sometimes. Get over it... and yourselves. Like, please?

Bree-ba O'Riley wrote:Alex or Cozy or Jonny

=O

omg, Bree, how did you know i dress up as Cozy for my confessionalz?!

You guys have the same birthmark on your inner-right thigh!!!! IMPOSTER!!!

Thank you Bree!! You took the words right from my mouth lol I just want to finish it off with a....

Glad I was able to clarify it a bit more. It's true you can't really know someone from the internet, but you can get a general idea to me anyways. Then again, the spamming was completely out of character I thought, so who the hell really knows, right? I agree about people being nasty, I can honestly say the only people iLve PMed about are strange and eastern. As far as the whole Audrey thing...it was either a random person with nothing to do or someone who has something against either a contestant or sweet_tyra himself, and just considering the number of people who have participated (ya'll are on round 5 after all) it could have been anyone. I have a few ideas, but it would really only be suspicion so I don't want to name anyone specifically, but based on patterns and whatnot there are a few safe bets for sure, imo.

Bree-ba O'Riley wrote:Okay, Shiza, I feel pretty bad that you're being singled out.
At the same time you are being quite indulgent in seeking our apologies and pennance. I think you are enjoying it all a little too much - the same way Mel was like "I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIIIIIIGHT!" when she "uncovered" Audrey. It's equally annoying.
What the heck do you want us to think? Maybe people went too overboard, but I personally think that you, a grown man, should know that they were just words stated in times of high emotion. By people whom you don't know - and who don't know you, I might add. You ask why no one said, "Shiza would never do that?" Because we don't really know each other at all. For all we know, Alex or Cozy or Nigel or Jonny could be hackers or fakes or people making fun of us or Strangesounds or Kyle. But we don't. Anything is possible. This is the internet. We don't know each other.
On the note of the Joey stuff, for one thing, not everyone "forgave" him. Secondly, forgiving does not mean forgetting. We can say, "It's okay, that was a mean thing to do but you are still welcome here. But that does not mean that we can't bring it up, we can't acknowledge that it was a disgusting thing to do, and we can't factor it into things. For the record I never saw any link between Joey and the Audrey thing (nor did I contribute to the argument). But I still do find it quite pathetic that Joey, who insults peoples' appearance, pictures, and personal lives, will throw a hissy fit when people throw it back in his face. He of all people would tell someone (and has told users, like Lauren) not to put themselves out there unless they were prepared for criticism. Not only does he put himself out there, he is rude and crude to others.
You guys are soooooo silly sometimes. Get over it... and yourselves. Like, please?

Okay, I can accept that. Being a grown man, however, doesn't change the simple fact that I didn't like the accusations being made. There is no expectation out there for anyone to apologise or seek penance or anything b/c I know a demanded apology would be completely fake anyways. Those who felt the need to apologize have already and those that didn't, didn't. That's the breaks I guess. However, I felt the need to say a few things and I did, the big thing being that next time I would rather be approached privately before situations like this are given a chance to explode into something bigger than they need to be. And the only words said against me were more accusatory whereas the nastiness and insults were more towards Joe, I just felt the need to speak up on them. The only "demand" that I made was that it be made publicly known that it wasn't me doing that crap, and that was only b/c the accusations were made publicly as well. That happened and Sweet also apologized so it's over and done.

And of course I realize people will never really know someone over the internet, hell usually not even in person. However, there are certain patterns followed by certain people that would give more indication towards being motivated to do something so stupid and I guess I'm just dissapointed that anyone would actually think I would have the desire or enough lack of a life to do that. It's like if ST were to say "it was either EasternPrince or Bree"...automatically I would put the blame on Eastern based on precedent...which I guess also answers my comments about why Joe's spamming still gets brought up right there, huh? So I am completely wrong and I will say uncle on that topic. From what I understood from the last time I was on INTM everyone was fine with everyone else, so the remarks being made were just a surprise to me. I didn't even know anything had happened with Jilpen until I saw a couple of comments about that, so that was my fault for commenting without having all the information and I am sorry for that as well.